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Worth pointing out that Hannibal from the series Hannibal was a cognitive ENFJ commonly mistyped as INTJ. Whilst I can see where you're coming from are neutrality I will add that in the context of typology & neurology assigning moral value to said acts of sadism etc would be indicative of a lack of an Fi-Si dip. Let's take an INTP for example, if they haven't developed or don't have the neurology to develop their Fi-Si dip from their dominant Ti this leads to irrational, unempathetic decision making. I'd correlate sadism with a lack of rationality here much to the surprise of many who'd equate sadism with cold hard logic when the opposite is in fact the case in many ways. I'd say that whilst empathy can be denoted as neutral, for the cognitively healthy & developed this isn't the case; empathy requires a symbiotic relationship between rational & limbic processes otherwise one is stuck in a degenerate state - we often see this with kids who have been severely abused who are statistically more likely to become abusers themselves. I feel like there's an implicit sense of 'transcendence' in this post by posting that it's a neutral term when in fact heightened aspects of empathy accompanying by severe deficits in some aspects is a defective way of being. Some people can indeed move off the narcissism spectrum & so forth but it takes a lot of psychoanalytic work. These kinds of people whilst they may initially do well in terms of work hierarchies etc tend to end up being the bane of the company/the reason the economy crashes etc as the concurrent inability to self regulate & rationalise simply isn't there. We need to look at this from both a cerebral & limbic standpoint & how these intersect, plus the varying facets of what constitutes empathy...no notion of cognitive & affective empathy in the context of psychopathy is indeed being challenged in research. I also think you're assuming that the will to dominant etc & deriving pleasure from this is normative...it's not...great leaders seek to lead not subjugate. I also wouldn't state that feeling empathy is a necessary component for subversive acts but can act from a deficit in such; look at the likes of Vladimir point: completely irrational & ill-founded empathy on the notion that the Ukraine wants to be sublimated back into the motherland; he's clearly delusional & has no empathy for the thousands of people who have been displaced & killed.

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Being able to empathise with everyone, even people with whom I vehemently disagree, can be quite trying. My OH half calls it 'gandhi-ising', which irritates me further. I've tried explaining that when I empathise it's not the same as agreeing or excusing, but he just doesn't get it. He's ISFJ and I'm INFJ. Or son is ENFP so my OH is constantly on edge over his seemingly lackadaisical ways, whereas I'm more understanding and accepting.

Sometimes I envy people who seem to see things in black and white. It must be so much easier for them.

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